Orbán: I don't have a vivid enough imagination to think that a nuclear power can be defeated

May 05. 2023. – 08:50 AM

Orbán: I don't have a vivid enough imagination to think that a nuclear power can be defeated
Photo: Zoltán Fischer / the PM's Press Office / MTI


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Most Friday mornings, Hungary’s Prime Minister gives an interview on one of the public radio stations. Since the independent media has not had a chance to interview him for several years, these weekly radio interviews are the only opportunity to find out what the leader of the country thinks about current events, how he sees his opponents and any issues at hand. This is a summary of the most important points from this week's interview

"Even at the outbreak of the war, the Hungarian position was that there would hardly be any winners in this war. There will be losers, but no winners", Viktor Orbán said on Kossuth Rádió on Friday morning.

Russia is up against the wall that is NATO, and defeating the Western powers and the US, which is providing unlimited funding for the war is difficult. But Russia has many more soldiers, weapons and nuclear weapons than Ukraine.

"I don't have a vivid enough imagination to think that a nuclear power can be defeated."

- the Prime Minister said.

Following the Budapest visit of Pope Francis, Orbán feels that the Vatican is determined to mobilise its forces, its contacts and its influence to try to put a stop to the bloodshed. In order to do this, it needs to rally the countries that want peace. Hungary is one of those countries. According to the Prime Minister, there is hardly anyone outside Hungary who dares to take an open stand for peace.

"We speak our heart", he said, adding that this often gets us into trouble in international politics.

The Americans are waging a pro-war campaign on the streets of Hungary, (a reference to the billboard campaign financed by the US embassy in Budapest, calling for Russian troops to leave Ukraine – TN) but Orbán said we are strong enough to stop them from forcing us into it. "We are facing difficult weeks ahead", Orbán said of the Ukrainian military's counter-attack, but he believes the situation will be clearer after the Ukrainian military offensive.

"I think this is the last big opportunity for the Ukrainians to achieve some kind of military success. Once this bullet is fired, if this happens, then we will see what the real balance of power is between the opposing forces, and in this kind of clearer, more settled situation there will be more opportunities for diplomatic efforts for peace," Orbán said, essentially referring to the surrender of Ukraine.

Soros' dream

Speculators and smugglers have made huge profits from the war, Orbán said.

George Soros has always dreamed of somehow getting into Ukraine and then having access to Russian natural resources, he added.

At the same time, according to the Prime Minister, our self-interest tells us, that there should be a big Ukraine in our neighbourhood.

The European Commission has fooled us again

On the issue of Ukrainian grain imports, he said that at the beginning of the war, Hungary had a good attitude on the issue, but we were fooled again by the European Commission. There was talk of Ukrainian grain being sold through Europe to starving people in Africa. The speculators then imported Ukrainian grain into Europe and ruined Hungarian and Polish farmers. According to Orbán, the European Commission knew this perfectly well, and did nothing. If Brussels cannot put an end to this, Hungary and Poland will introduce a physical barrier to the import of Ukrainian grain.

"One can only count on themselves. One must stand up for their own interests," the Prime Minister concluded. He then deduced that this also goes to show that Ukraine's accession to the EU must be handled with caution, because we could bring so much trouble on ourselves that we will end up begging.

At the end of the interview, Orbán spoke of an EU initiative that he said would end the autonomous foreign policy of member states and would allow majority voting instead of unanimity, meaning that there would be no possibility of a veto by member states. Orbán believes that it would be better to strengthen the individual nations, which globalist forces, financial forces, bureaucrats and speculators are seeking to abolish. He also spoke about this at the CPAC Hungary conference on Thursday.

Viktor Orbán avoids critical questions at home. It’s been years since he gave an interview to independent media. However, for years, most Friday mornings he has been a regular guest on state-owned Kossuth Rádió, where he is interviewed by a leading editor of the public broadcasting service (operating from an annual budget of 320 millions of euros). Katalin Nagy has been almost exclusively the only person allowed to interview Orbán on the state-owned channel throughout his third and fourth term with a two-thirds majority in parliament. She has received the state decoration of the Cross of the Order of Merit of Hungary and doesn’t shy away from asking questions.